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  "title": "TrackBack strikes back",
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  "html": "<p>And of course, Ben of <a href=\"http://www.decafbad.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MovableType\">MovableType</a> is <a href=\"http://www.stupidfool.org/archives/2002/09/000211.shtml\">not unaware of Pingback</a>:</p><blockquote><i>In current implementations of <a href=\"http://www.decafbad.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/TrackBack\">TrackBack</a>, the user sending the ping must take some action: either by selecting the post he wishes to send a <a href=\"http://www.decafbad.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/TrackBack\">TrackBack</a> ping to via a pulldown menu, or by retrieving the ping URL and pasting it into the entry form. And yes, we agree on the point that transparency is the ultimate goal*.<p></p>\n</i><p><i>But note the emphasis on \"current implementations\"--there is nothing inherent in <a href=\"http://www.decafbad.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/TrackBack\">TrackBack</a> that would prevent an implementation from making it completely transparent.</i></p></blockquote><p></p>\n<p>Interesting.  Let's see where he goes with this.  He does raise a concern with more automation though:</p><blockquote><i>* (I do worry slightly about the impact of content management systems fetching and scanning every external link in an entry to determine if it's ping-able. But that's not really the issue.)</i></blockquote><p></p>\n<p>Hmm - I suppose if a site gets heavily referred to, that's a double-Slashdot-effect?  And this investigative process has the potential to add more overhead to the publishing process.  But.. hmm, until I see some convincing <a href=\"http://www.decafbad.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/ConsideredHarmful\">ConsideredHarmful</a> arguments, I think the flow producing qualities of this sort of thing are worth it.</p>\n<!--more-->\n\n\n<p>shortname=ooobic</p>\n<div id=\"comments\" class=\"comments archived-comments\"><h3>Archived Comments</h3>\n<ul class=\"comments\">\n<li class=\"comment\" id=\"comment-221090103\">\n<div class=\"meta\">\n<div class=\"author\">\n<a class=\"avatar image\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"\"><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=a8e8cc16d25a51a0914efde23e523ce7&amp;size=32&amp;default=http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1320279820/images/noavatar32.png\" width=\"\" height=\"\"></a>\n<a class=\"avatar name\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"\">Ben</a>\n</div>\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#comment-221090103\" class=\"permalink\"><time datetime=\"2002-09-24T16:48:56\">2002-09-24T16:48:56</time></a></p>\n</div>\n\n\n<div class=\"content\">Hi, You said \"Let's see where he goes with this.\" We're going to add the extracting-links transparency to MT for version 2.5, so that when you post, external links will be extracted, and TrackBack ping URLs auto-discovered and pinged automatically. More details...</div>\n\n\n</li>\n<li class=\"comment\" id=\"comment-221090105\">\n<div class=\"meta\">\n<div class=\"author\">\n<a class=\"avatar image\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http://www.decafbad.com\"><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=2ac2cffd36ada8c734b90e02a1e5c1ac&amp;size=32&amp;default=http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1320279820/images/noavatar32.png\" width=\"\" height=\"\"></a>\n<a class=\"avatar name\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http://www.decafbad.com\">l.m.orchard</a>\n</div>\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#comment-221090105\" class=\"permalink\"><time datetime=\"2002-09-24T17:22:05\">2002-09-24T17:22:05</time></a></p>\n</div>\n\n\n<div class=\"content\">Sounds very cool!  I'd be pinging you back right now, but my webhost seems to be going haywire currently.  Thanks for the comment though!</div>\n\n\n</li>\n</ul>\n\n\n</div>\n\n\n",
  "body": "And of course, Ben of <a href=\"http://www.decafbad.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MovableType\">MovableType</a> is <a href=\"http://www.stupidfool.org/archives/2002/09/000211.shtml\">not unaware of Pingback</a>:<blockquote><i>In current implementations of <a href=\"http://www.decafbad.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/TrackBack\">TrackBack</a>, the user sending the ping must take some action: either by selecting the post he wishes to send a <a href=\"http://www.decafbad.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/TrackBack\">TrackBack</a> ping to via a pulldown menu, or by retrieving the ping URL and pasting it into the entry form. And yes, we agree on the point that transparency is the ultimate goal*.\r\n<br /><br />\r\nBut note the emphasis on \"current implementations\"--there is nothing inherent in <a href=\"http://www.decafbad.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/TrackBack\">TrackBack</a> that would prevent an implementation from making it completely transparent.</i></blockquote>Interesting.  Let's see where he goes with this.  He does raise a concern with more automation though:<blockquote><i>* (I do worry slightly about the impact of content management systems fetching and scanning every external link in an entry to determine if it's ping-able. But that's not really the issue.)</i></blockquote>Hmm - I suppose if a site gets heavily referred to, that's a double-Slashdot-effect?  And this investigative process has the potential to add more overhead to the publishing process.  But.. hmm, until I see some convincing <a href=\"http://www.decafbad.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/ConsideredHarmful\">ConsideredHarmful</a> arguments, I think the flow producing qualities of this sort of thing are worth it.\r\n<!--more-->\r\nshortname=ooobic\r\n\r\n<div id=\"comments\" class=\"comments archived-comments\">\r\n            <h3>Archived Comments</h3>\r\n            \r\n        <ul class=\"comments\">\r\n            \r\n        <li class=\"comment\" id=\"comment-221090103\">\r\n            <div class=\"meta\">\r\n                <div class=\"author\">\r\n                    <a class=\"avatar image\" rel=\"nofollow\" \r\n                       href=\"\"><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=a8e8cc16d25a51a0914efde23e523ce7&amp;size=32&amp;default=http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1320279820/images/noavatar32.png\"/></a>\r\n                    <a class=\"avatar name\" rel=\"nofollow\" \r\n                       href=\"\">Ben</a>\r\n                </div>\r\n                <a href=\"#comment-221090103\" class=\"permalink\"><time datetime=\"2002-09-24T16:48:56\">2002-09-24T16:48:56</time></a>\r\n            </div>\r\n            <div class=\"content\">Hi, You said \"Let's see where he goes with this.\" We're going to add the extracting-links transparency to MT for version 2.5, so that when you post, external links will be extracted, and TrackBack ping URLs auto-discovered and pinged automatically. More details...</div>\r\n            \r\n        </li>\r\n    \r\n        <li class=\"comment\" id=\"comment-221090105\">\r\n            <div class=\"meta\">\r\n                <div class=\"author\">\r\n                    <a class=\"avatar image\" rel=\"nofollow\" \r\n                       href=\"http://www.decafbad.com\"><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=2ac2cffd36ada8c734b90e02a1e5c1ac&amp;size=32&amp;default=http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1320279820/images/noavatar32.png\"/></a>\r\n                    <a class=\"avatar name\" rel=\"nofollow\" \r\n                       href=\"http://www.decafbad.com\">l.m.orchard</a>\r\n                </div>\r\n                <a href=\"#comment-221090105\" class=\"permalink\"><time datetime=\"2002-09-24T17:22:05\">2002-09-24T17:22:05</time></a>\r\n            </div>\r\n            <div class=\"content\">Sounds very cool!  I'd be pinging you back right now, but my webhost seems to be going haywire currently.  Thanks for the comment though!</div>\r\n            \r\n        </li>\r\n    \r\n        </ul>\r\n    \r\n        </div>\r\n    ",
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  "summary": "And of course, Ben of MovableType is not unaware of Pingback:In current implementations of TrackBack, the user sending the ping must take some action: either by selecting the post he wishes to send a TrackBack ping to via a pulldown menu, or by retrieving the ping URL and pasting it into the entry form. And yes, we agree on the point that transparency is the ultimate goal*.\nBut note the emphasis on \"current implementations\"--there is nothing inherent in TrackBack that would prevent an implementation from making it completely transparent.\nInteresting.  Let's see where he goes with this.  He does raise a concern with more automation though:* (I do worry slightly about the impact of content management systems fetching and scanning every external link in an entry to determine if it's ping-able. But that's not really the issue.)\nHmm - I suppose if a site gets heavily referred to, that's a double-Slashdot-effect?  And this investigative process has the potential to add more overhead to the publishing process.  But.. hmm, until I see some convincing ConsideredHarmful arguments, I think the flow producing qualities of this sort of thing are worth it.",
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